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george68hemirr

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what's been happening to the the country, Obamacare will be the very least of our problems because It's just another engineered diversion.
The decline and eventual fall of America has been engineered by groups of Progressive Democrats that have infiltrated the government with the help of ignorant American voters and inept selfish politicians.
When you disect what's been going on, from Obama's election, The loss of our freedoms, The Building up of a huge paramilitary DHS, A powerful NSA to spy on it's citizens, The militaration of our police forces, the IRS involvement in the healthcare act, The planned destruction of our economy, currency, and finally the healthcare act itself, All these actions are planned and not just coincidences.
The Democrats and media have done a great job of dividing the country by class, race, immigration, age and income.
It's all about control, When the dollar loses reserve status and inflation begins, the real shit will hit the fan.
The Government can then impose marshal law, make all firearms illegal, and have total and complete control which is what any government wants.
The new global economy will have one currency and America
as we know it will be gone. In it's place will likely be a Marxist police state and unless a major upset happens in 2014, which after 2008 and 2012, is unlikely to happen, terrible things are coming.
Better start preparing for it now. we're in for some hard times like which we've never seen.
 

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what's been happening to the the country, Obamacare will be the very least of our problems because It's just another engineered diversion.
The decline and eventual fall of America has been engineered by groups of Progressive Democrats that have infiltrated the government with the help of ignorant American voters and inept selfish politicians.
When you disect what's been going on, from Obama's election, The loss of our freedoms, The Building up of a huge paramilitary DHS, A powerful NSA to spy on it's citizens, The militaration of our police forces, the IRS involvement in the healthcare act, The planned destruction of our economy, currency, and finally the healthcare act itself, All these actions are planned and not just coincidences.
The Democrats and media have done a great job of dividing the country by class, race, immigration, age and income.
It's all about control, When the dollar loses reserve status and inflation begins, the real shit will hit the fan.
The Government can then impose marshal law, make all firearms illegal, and have total and complete control which is what any government wants.
The new global economy will have one currency and America
as we know it will be gone. In it's place will likely be a Marxist police state and unless a major upset happens in 2014, which after 2008 and 2012, is unlikely to happen, terrible things are coming.
Better start preparing for it now. we're in for some hard times like which we've never seen.

Sad but true :blue:
 

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Inri, hopefully you didn't vote for Barry in either election. I'm hearing from lots of people I know that they voted this loser into office hoping for "change". Well, now we're all getting the change.

Options are available to you and your family, but it would mean a different life for you. It may be necessary now for the wife to take on some work outside the home, if only part-time to increase family income so Barry's plan for you can be "affordable". That's what my wife and I have had to do and we feel good about making our way through life without expecting the gubmnt to take care of our needs. We also have kids and understand the challenges there (daycare, medical, school, etc.).
 

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Inri, hopefully you didn't vote for Barry in either election. I'm hearing from lots of people I know that they voted this loser into office hoping for "change". Well, now we're all getting the change.

Options are available to you and your family, but it would mean a different life for you. It may be necessary now for the wife to take on some work outside the home, if only part-time to increase family income so Barry's plan for you can be "affordable". That's what my wife and I have had to do and we feel good about making our way through life without expecting the gubmnt to take care of our needs. We also have kids and understand the challenges there (daycare, medical, school, etc.).

69rr,

Though I live in California I am an Independent. Can't stand either party really. This past election was the first time I really believed that someone could take our existing economy and improve it (Mitt) among other things, but nonetheless not only did not enough people believe that too, but if he would have taken office he would have been bought and sold by the lobbyists and the lifelong politicians. I've learned change has to start from the ground up; the American people need to wake the heck up.

Right now we're going to ride this Affordable lol, healthcare plan out to see how it unfolds. You're right the wife may need to work a bit to compensate. I appreciate the post.
 

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I hope my note didn't come across as know-it-all or offensive in any way. I re-read it and thought it sounded a bit like I was being condecending or something, which is not at all what I intended. Your reply tells me you read it the way I meant it.

Also, I agree with you 100% regarding your comments on what likely would have happened had Romney won the election. We need to somehow clean out the entire Congress and get back to being represented by responsible people, Dems and Repubs alike. I think that's the over-arching objective of the so-called Tea Party but I'm not sure of that.
 

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I think that's the over-arching objective of the so-called Tea Party but I'm not sure of that.

The objective of the TEA Party is contained VERY SUCCINTLY in their name. Taxed Enough Already. They are simply about stemming the tide of progressive socialism...a.k.a. what the democratic party has become...and what most of its out of touch supporters are oblivious to...they think it is still their great-grandfathers democratic party...which simply ain't so. As HemiBeep recently noted in another political thread, JFK (the president most "democrats" dearly hold as an icon) would be considered a conservative by modern day definition.
 

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The objective of the TEA Party is contained VERY SUCCINTLY in their name. Taxed Enough Already. They are simply about stemming the tide of progressive socialism...a.k.a. what the democratic party has become...and what most of its out of touch supporters are oblivious to...they think it is still their great-grandfathers democratic party...which simply ain't so. As HemiBeep recently noted in another political thread, JFK (the president most "democrats" dearly hold as an icon) would be considered a conservative by modern day definition.
:yeathat: Took the words out my mouth.
 

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The objective of the TEA Party is contained VERY SUCCINTLY in their name. Taxed Enough Already. They are simply about stemming the tide of progressive socialism...a.k.a. what the democratic party has become...and what most of its out of touch supporters are oblivious to...they think it is still their great-grandfathers democratic party...which simply ain't so. As HemiBeep recently noted in another political thread, JFK (the president most "democrats" dearly hold as an icon) would be considered a conservative by modern day definition.

:yeathat:
 

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I love the way our esteemed congressman and women use the term "tea-baggers" . These vulgar people know exactly what they are doing, and we are letting them do it.
 

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I'm in norcal and don't pay a dime for medical and have full coverage for my entire family, not even copay costs. I do pay a co pay fee at the time of a visit but then turn it in to get re payed. I do pay a copay fee for dental and vision and do have restrictions on those plans and do have to pay over what my insurance does not cover but typically if I choose to have the more fancier glasses for example but most of the time I can choose within the plan even got safety glasses with my prescription for $30.

Hope you guys who do not have what I have find a way to get it or as close to it as possible with this new healthcare plan. Good luck.
 

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I'm in norcal and don't pay a dime for medical and have full coverage for my entire family, not even copay costs. I do pay a co pay fee at the time of a visit but then turn it in to get re payed. I do pay a copay fee for dental and vision and do have restrictions on those plans and do have to pay over what my insurance does not cover but typically if I choose to have the more fancier glasses for example but most of the time I can choose within the plan even got safety glasses with my prescription for $30.

Hope you guys who do not have what I have find a way to get it or as close to it as possible with this new healthcare plan. Good luck.

Bigman, what part of NorCal? And, more importantly what kind of magical healthcare plan do you have?
 

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Bigman, what part of NorCal? And, more importantly what kind of magical healthcare plan do you have?

About 70 miles dead east of SF. I am a union electrician. Our medical plan has 3 choices Kaiser, united healthcare or pacific care. Basically how ours works is the employer pays for 99% of the costs minus the copay, we cover any increased costs of the plan which there are every year when we negotiate a new agreement (every 3 years) so for an example if we ask for a $3 an hour raise and get it, we have to allocate that $3 to different items (all voted for by the membership but recommendations made by our committee I.E. on the check, pension plan, health and welfare.) So let's say our committee says there is a 16% increase in healthcare costs this year and we need to take $1.75 out of that $3 raise we got to cover it. then we say yes or no by vote, most of the time yes, then we vote on ways to use the rest like for example - $1 on the check and .25 to pension etc.

An extra to this is our union goes out every year and fights for the best price from all of our healthcare providers, if for some reason they say the cost is higher this year which of course they do every year because they are fucking crooks like attorneys lol what this means is at every contract negotiation time we expect to have to allocate any new money that comes in, IF and it happens a lot the employers say hey times are tight we can not give you any money but we will help with healthcare here is .50 this time take it or leave it, and of course we take it and apply all of it begrudgingly to "increased healthcare costs"

So what we get is full coverage for all family members(after a 90 day period after you first join) 15 years for me.

Now let me say this (very important) so that it is not all roses.... our coverage is based on hours worked, you have to maintain a certain number of hours reported monthly by your employer in order to keep all of the coverages, if you get laid off it is just like any other plan...it ends and you go on cobra coverage. I have only had to do this once in 15 years, yes we stay busy in the SF/OAK bay area lots of construction all year all the time.

What my local has done to help our members that do get laid off and do not always get to work a full year etc is to pay extra into the monthly healthcare costs out of our contract raises, so instead of giving the $1.75 we would give $2.00 for example, what this does is increase the amount of time our guys can be laid off and still have coverage averaging 6 months instead of 3 so they can pick up work again with in the 6 months and never loose coverage, in the old days it was about 3 months then you went on cobra, when times were slow 2 years ago we added money to the fund and was able to increase the duration to 6 months.

We also voted for and got a copay reimbursement program where the copay is reimburse by the employer via the plan for a contract duration. This helps people who have multiple copays like children etc it also included prescription costs as well so all your meds get re payed.

This plan is for medical only the vision and dental are separate and more like corporate plans with caps on certain items and extras.

so bottom line for me is so long as I work i continue to get great medical coverage. No free ride here and no union bully bs either trade unions don't do that shit.


Hope this explains it ;)
 

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About 70 miles dead east of SF. I am a union electrician. Our medical plan has 3 choices Kaiser, united healthcare or pacific care. Basically how ours works is the employer pays for 99% of the costs minus the copay, we cover any increased costs of the plan which there are every year when we negotiate a new agreement (every 3 years) so for an example if we ask for a $3 an hour raise and get it, we have to allocate that $3 to different items (all voted for by the membership but recommendations made by our committee I.E. on the check, pension plan, health and welfare.) So let's say our committee says there is a 16% increase in healthcare costs this year and we need to take $1.75 out of that $3 raise we got to cover it. then we say yes or no by vote, most of the time yes, then we vote on ways to use the rest like for example - $1 on the check and .25 to pension etc.

An extra to this is our union goes out every year and fights for the best price from all of our healthcare providers, if for some reason they say the cost is higher this year which of course they do every year because they are fucking crooks like attorneys lol what this means is at every contract negotiation time we expect to have to allocate any new money that comes in, IF and it happens a lot the employers say hey times are tight we can not give you any money but we will help with healthcare here is .50 this time take it or leave it, and of course we take it and apply all of it begrudgingly to "increased healthcare costs"

So what we get is full coverage for all family members(after a 90 day period after you first join) 15 years for me.

Now let me say this (very important) so that it is not all roses.... our coverage is based on hours worked, you have to maintain a certain number of hours reported monthly by your employer in order to keep all of the coverages, if you get laid off it is just like any other plan...it ends and you go on cobra coverage. I have only had to do this once in 15 years, yes we stay busy in the SF/OAK bay area lots of construction all year all the time.

What my local has done to help our members that do get laid off and do not always get to work a full year etc is to pay extra into the monthly healthcare costs out of our contract raises, so instead of giving the $1.75 we would give $2.00 for example, what this does is increase the amount of time our guys can be laid off and still have coverage averaging 6 months instead of 3 so they can pick up work again with in the 6 months and never loose coverage, in the old days it was about 3 months then you went on cobra, when times were slow 2 years ago we added money to the fund and was able to increase the duration to 6 months.

We also voted for and got a copay reimbursement program where the copay is reimburse by the employer via the plan for a contract duration. This helps people who have multiple copays like children etc it also included prescription costs as well so all your meds get re payed.

This plan is for medical only the vision and dental are separate and more like corporate plans with caps on certain items and extras.

so bottom line for me is so long as I work i continue to get great medical coverage. No free ride here and no union bully bs either trade unions don't do that shit.


Hope this explains it ;)

I hope that what Ive been hearing isn't true in your case, that folks that are blessed with Cadillac plans will be taxed under O-care. And you have a Cadillac
 

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I hope that what Ive been hearing isn't true in your case, that folks that are blessed with Cadillac plans will be taxed under O-care. And you have a Cadillac

That already happens. I get taxed on the value because it's part of my personal compensation.

One thing that I do see that will take people by surprise is that you can't pay for O-care with pre-tax $. That's gonna hurt a few people.
 

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That already happens. I get taxed on the value because it's part of my personal compensation.

One thing that I do see that will take people by surprise is that you can't pay for O-care with pre-tax $. That's gonna hurt a few people.

If it does get taxed I will never personally see it, the cost's increases will be carried by the employers in our case. They may tell us that on our next raise allocation that we need to but x # of $$ into healthcare costs so in that case we will be paying for it in a sense, but not really because the raise come from the employers to begin with so in the end they pay it not us we just use the raise they gave us to cover our end of the deal etc.
 
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