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Here we go again...header talk!

sam z

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Ok,
Spoke to my mechanic yesterday when I was picking up my wife's car (2004 Honda, great on
gas, reliable). As usual, conversation shifted rather quickly to the car. I explained it was
getting painted in April, etc, etc. Told him I wanted the car tuned properly after painting was finished.

He said rather clearly that my number one concern should be replacing my headers. Logic, they're
old, we had a warpage / leak problem previously when the starter replaced (remflex gaskets cured
this rather nicely). Point is, less issues, less chance of an exhaust leak, mine are basically
old POS at this point. Why drop big money and not replace the headers, especially knowing what
we know now.

Before anybody advises, the big goal is obviously to go new, but to also get a set that will
essentially bolt up to my existing exhaust, no problem (or with as little hassle as possible).
What I have now I believe are an old set of Hookers with the standard collectors. I want this to
be 1. a simple swap, and 2. economical with decent quality, not race ready or big cash.

Important point to wrap up with is to keep in mind this car gets about 600 miles a year. I don't beat
on it all that much. Now that I have a son, I want a sharp old car that runs and sounds good for
my son and I to enjoy, not to snap your neck when you bury the pedal. I don't know if that helps
but maybe it does.

Ok, thanks, tell me what you think.
-Sam
 

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Short and sweet:

TTIs if money is not an issue.
Hedmans if money is an issue.

No matter how much you spend some installations just seem to require some tweaking... SOME.
I would not expect the collector reducers to just bolt right up unless you replace the old ones with an exact replacement pair of new ones. It seldom works that way...
Get ceramic coated ones no matter what brand you choose.

I have heard lots of good things about Dougs headers as a middle of the road alternative to the pricey TTIs. I have never run them so I'm not about to tell you anything other than what I just stated.

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I would really try to go with the TTIs if it were me. They have uncoated to coated options. It sounds like you're going all the way with everything else, I wouldn't be penny wise dollar foolish with the headers. :cents:
 

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:cents: I had a problem with Hedmans back when I was putting my car together. Ordered them from Summit. when it came time to install them they did not clear the starter. Talked with Hedman tech and sent them back. They sent me another pair. Still did not fit. Talked with an engineer there and he said they weren't made right. I got a refund and went tti.
That said, if you want to bolt right up to your current exhaust system replace your Hookers with another pair of Hookers. Short, sweet, no headaches. If you want to go tti you need to call them and tell them what you have (Hooker model no., etc.) so they can then let you know if their headers will bolt up to your exhaust pipes.
And don't forget to get a mini-starter. You'll need one to clear the tti's if you go that route and you'll be better off even if you don't. Solenoids last longer when running headers due to greater clearance and air circulation.
 

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mcmopar said:
And don't forget to get a mini-starter. You'll need one to clear the tti's if you go that route and you'll be better off even if you don't. Solenoids last longer when running headers due to greater clearance and air circulation.

The world is not flat... :lmao:


BTW - I currently have Hedmans on three different cars - no real issues - just nit-noi stuff. In fact, the big tube Huslers that are on the Z-28 flat kick a$$...and I have an old set of A-Body slip-together-BIG-tube Huslers up in the rafters that also worked great, but just took the better part of a day to install... :lol: It is always the same no matter the car, no matter the header manufacturer - sometimes you get a set that is just a bit off...happened with TTIs on my buddy Andy's Chally 'vert...with an freakin' LA no less...had to send them back to be replaced. NONE of them are perfect...and that's a fact.
 

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Have a powermaster mini starter now, got it last year.

The responses are all leaning in a similar direction. TTI's, other stuff may be a
crap shoot. I dunno right now.
 

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So do the ones you have now leak? Sounds like the are OK. Maybe get another season out of them.

Hookers have been good to me. :rimshot:
 

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I love headers as much as the next guy but if your not looking to set the world on fire, why not put a set of hipo manifolds back on?
 

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I have Hooker Competition ones on mine. I had them Jet-Hot coated when I bought them. No issues yet.
 

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roadrunnerh said:
moparchris said:
I love headers as much as the next guy but if your not looking to set the world on fire, why not put a set of hipo manifolds back on?
X2


X3 - less hassel, great performance, and most important: reliability.

With O.E. manifolds you can just enjoy the car without header headaches....now if your racing it... :cents:
 

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I like manifolds as well as the next guy but if you are going to go headers the tti's are hassle free - at least they have been for me. Bolted right up and I have not had any leaks or other problems since they went on the car in '03. :thumbsup:
 

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Thanks guys. I have no serious allegiance to headers. If I went with OEM type manifolds,
I really would care to get the correct year / set, because for obvious reasons there are
4000 things with my car that are not original.

If correct I'd have to get a decent exhaust guy to run pipes from OEM manifolds
down below to the existing extension pipes if I go this route. Right?
 

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:hack: Pretty much, or replace the front half of the exhaust for stock manifolds. I'm not sure how cost effective this will be in the long run, if you had the manifolds it might be a different story. You'll have to crunch the numbers. :yesnod:
 

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sixgunrunner68 said:
:hack: Pretty much, or replace the front half of the exhaust for stock manifolds. I'm not sure how cost effective this will be in the long run, if you had the manifolds it might be a different story. You'll have to crunch the numbers. :yesnod:

Supporting what Marty has stated, I copied this off of the LOH Playground this morning. Posted on 3/15/11.

"I think $250 is about the going rate for a decent pair with some pitting...driver quality, but I would expect to pay $300-350 for a nice pair with a working heat riser. I'm not sure how much it would be for a nice pair with the corret dates for an A12 would be?"

Correct Exhaust Manifolds ain't cheap anymore, fellas... Sam, you might check with Gary however...maybe he has another set that he just wants to give away... :lol:

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The last two cars I've owned (including this one) has had the re-pop manifolds.... Not sure who the vendor or foundry is that's doing these things, but I must say that the quality is very good. I have a TTi 2.5 inch H-pipe system that bolted right up with no problems.... I do prefer the Accurate exhaust tips and hangers though....
 

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